EP 31: Intention in life, community, and our own thoughts
If there’s one word that sums up today’s episode with Shana Francesca it is intention. We talk all about living life with intention, with an innate understanding of our lives, our stories, and our purpose. In typical Probably Bothered fashion, we cover a few more ideas as well, including the importance of connection and community challenging us to action, and the importance of continuing to learn and grow as you evolve in your story. There were so many eye-opening ideas, I know you’ll enjoy this episode
Shana’s Bio
Shana Francesca is a speaker, writer and entrepreneur. She is the Founder and Lead Designer at Concinnate, a multi-discipline interior design and life design firm working with clients around the country and around the world. She was born into a difficult family life and refused to allow that to define her.
She used her version of vision boarding to lead her to a more beautiful understanding of what was and is possible. In 2007 she graduated with her degree in Interior Design and five years ago she founded her Interior Design and Life Design firm. Shana believes our present and future are transformed when we infuse our lives with intention, that is when we begin to design our lives and accept our role as the author of our story.
Connect with Shana
Episode Transcript
Becca 0:05
Welcome to Probably Bothered the podcast that cuts through online business man's so that you can redefine your version of success. Because I believe if you aren't a little bit bothered, you probably aren't paying attention how can you change the world through your purpose?
That's one of the many questions that Shana and I cover in today's episode. And the answer is, with intention, with intention of how you approach your life and your story, how you approach continuous learning your community, and your conversations just like this one. So without further ado, I would like to introduce Shana, who is the lead designer of interior design firm concentrate, and she is so passionate about living life with intention and actively choosing to design your life, your business, your relationships, all let her tell you all about it.
On today's episode of Probably Bothered, I am so excited to talk with someone who shares a philosophy that I have about intentionally designing your life, designing your business and just moving through all of those things with intention. There's no better word for it. So I'm super excited to welcome Shana and she is the lead designer at constant eight, which is a multidisciplinary interior design firm. So Shana, welcome to Probably Bothered.
Shana Francesca 1:47
Yeah, hi, Beck. I'm glad to be here.
Becca 1:49
I am glad that you're here. And I would love to just start with that idea that I mentioned at the beginning of kind of that intentionality that you infuse your work with. And how did you get to that point? And why is it important to you and your design work?
Shana Francesca 2:03
Yeah. Well, it's a good question. It's important to me, because I grew up in an environment where I was told to obey the rules, and someone else was always making them. Right. I grew up evangelical Christian, excessively conservative, and I questioning was seen as almost a sin, right? Like, this is what this is the Bible. This is our current interpretation. You accept that. And you may question at some point as a teenager, but you're gonna come back to our way of thinking, right?
So it was very programmed into me that like, this was the right way. And I'm, of course going to find it my way to this thing. And of course, that didn't happen. I just found my way right out of it, you know, and finally gave myself permission only two years ago to fully and completely like, leave, that that mindset in which I feel like is a natural step in this whole process, where questioning became my deep understanding of how curiosity plays this really important part in understanding who we are determining our purpose, right? It's not something else that determines our purpose, it's us, right?
We determine our purpose, we figure out our talents, and we figure out what we're passionate about. And we combine those things. And we're like, Okay, this is what I'm going to spend my life doing. And then we get to decide the story we want our life to tell. And then we get to get really intentional about all of the actions that we take. And it's really the small ones that make the most, that are the most important. We think it's the big, big decisions, but it's all the small decisions that lay the foundation for being able to make the big decisions matter the way they do.
And by being intentional about all the things that we do, we start to show up for ourselves in a way that lets that empowers us to know that the story we want our life to tell is important. And we get to take up space, and not only just take up space, but take it up beautifully and intentionally and when we do so our story becomes more powerful and we empower others to do the same. And so it was that understanding and finding my way from indoctrination, to the curiosity that helped me to recognize intention as this powerful tool along the way.
Becca 4:30
That is, it's such a beautiful transition. And I you know, I haven't had a similar experience in that kind of indoctrination lifestyle that you mentioned, but I really respect the way that you were able to kind of take lessons out of that experience and create the life and the business which we'll get into that made the most sense for you and really, really created that the story and instead of kind of thinking of it. And then that negative way in a negative experience, you were able to pull what you could from it. And, yeah, it led you to where you are. So that's yeah, that's it's a, it's a beautiful process, unfortunately, having to go through hardship to get there. But yeah,
Shana Francesca 5:15
but I mean, everybody has their own hardship. Everybody has that thing that they've got to work through to get to their story, right to be able to feel freed and empowered to tell their story.
Becca 5:27
Absolutely. So you mentioned kind of going through this curiosity and kind of figuring out how you wanted your life to look. So I'd love to hear if you have some examples of this active intention that you filled your life with, what is what does that look like for you today? And what were those decisions that you made along the way?
Shana Francesca 5:52
The decisions? Well, first, I had to realize that there was no one around me growing up, and in my young adult life whose life I wanted. It just didn't exist for me. And when you realize that, but you also realize, like, maybe they weren't in close proximity, but I could see people in the distance, right?
Like, when I read books, or things like that, and I would understand or read an article, I'd be like, well, maybe they're not telling the whole truth, but their life doesn't suck, but mine does, right. And the distinction between my father's favorite saying growing up was life sucks. And then you deal with it. But that's a really important thing, right? That life sucks, not your life sucks, life sucks. And so it was this, like, way of trying to get me to, to believe that that's just the way life was, and then I was gonna have to deal with it. And I was like, No, My life sucks.
And when we recognize there's a distinction between those things we recognize we can change. And that we can, we can build language, visual, verbal, all of that around a different kind of life. And so for me, it meant gathering mentors in my head through reading books, through creating vision boards, I basically turned my whole bedroom wall into a vision board growing up, and it became this sanctuary for myself to be able to, to align myself like, I don't want to be this, that I've been told I must be, I want to be this.
And I'm going to align my actions with that. And that means finding wisdom outside of like finding wisdom, finding understanding of the world outside of the bubble, I'm being forced into, you know, finding these mentors in my head, and becoming the kind of person who can attract the kind of teachers and mentors into my life and friends into my life, who will, who will help me to find a different way of living. And that's really powerful because then we find connection, right?
And we need connection and community in our lives. And it's that connection in that community that challenges us into action, right? Like, we're like, oh, okay, this is how I can do this, right, I can become an ally, for myself an ally for other people. And these are the steps I can take. And it's other people who can help us to find that pathway, right, because we can find it eventually on our own.
But it can take a long time to figure that out. It's in community with other people with a diverse group of people in our life that we can, we're compelled into action. Because we start to hear parts of their story that align with our story, the story we want our life to tell, right? And then we're like, oh, okay, great, I'm going to be with this person.
And I'm going to learn about this thing, and I'm going to do this thing, right? And then it starts to show us this journey, this weird, winding path that our life starts to take that I think, you know, that's when the action really starts, I think before then I was stuck. You know, it was just kind of like, okay, I'm on someone else's path that they've decided for me. And I was very, very stuck. And after that moment, it was definitely action towards like, No, I'm going to be my own person.
Becca 8:58
The conversation that you brought up at the start of that, answers the of figuring out how to shape your life, when you don't have an example a person to look to who's readily apparent to you. It's something that has come up time and time again, with me and some of my friends who are entrepreneurs in the past couple of weeks. And one of the things that I that kind of, I guess, mirrors this conversation is the idea of, if you were kind of stepping away from that corporate lifestyle, finding those examples of success and whatever success means to you because that's, that's a whole nother conversation of
Shana Francesca 9:45
certification.
Becca 9:46
We're not going to go there right now. But basically, I love how you outlined kind of a step-by-step process of finding people who have the life that you want, even if they're not readily available to you and finding the bits and pieces of that story.
I think that's one of the things that I have seen time and time again, is people kind of looking and saying, Well, there's no one who's done this. So maybe it can't be done. But that's, that's not necessarily the case. It's, there's no one that you know of that has done this. But can you find a whole person? Or can you find parts of people and put that together and create that story?
Shana Francesca 10:24
So that was a Yeah,
Becca 10:25
I really beautiful takeaway from your answer.
Shana Francesca 10:29
And I don't know, I don't know if for other people, this has been true. But I think many times, parents and people and leaders in our life family members, they want to save us from pain.
And so they'll be like, well, if it could be done, someone would have done it already. Right? Like we hear that. Not all necessarily all the time, but it's either spoken or subtext, right. It's kind of simmering right there all the time. And so I think it's, you know, it's like crabs in a bucket sometimes, right? People are so afraid of what's outside of that bucket, that they're, they don't realize what they're doing what they're saying is actually pulling other people down.
And so it is really important sometimes to like, hold your story sacred, and only entrust it to those people who understand and allow themselves to feel fear, but do not allow it to control them. And they decide to move through it anyway. Right? Because there's like, the fear of what could be or like, the massive pain that comes from living a life that you know, you're not meant to live, like living small, and living in fear, and letting those things control you. So, I mean, it's not. It's kind of why I think we sometimes shrink back from, from doing things we haven't seen other people do is because there's this like, societal, like, if it could be done, it would be done. You know what I mean? Like, there's that, that belief, belief?
Becca 11:54
Well, and I think there's also the process that we all go through of recognizing that not everyone is our person, right? If you have an idea or story that you want your life to look like, it's not for everyone. And that's okay. And I had an experience with my father, who was wonderfully supportive of my business.
But I was starting this podcast and naming the podcast, and I'm all excited. And I called him and I was like, hey, look, I've got this name. It's so funny. It's wonderfully sassy, like, super excited. And I told him Probably Bothered because I don't get it. And I think in the first few years of my business, I would have been totally crushed. Yeah. But I just looked at him. And I said, Well, you're not my target audience. So it's a good thing. You don't get it. And he laughed, and I laughed, and that was that. So I think that's also another kind of wonderful transformation to go to is the realization that if everyone doesn't get it, it's okay to
Shana Francesca 12:56
Yeah, that's that's such a good point. Because it's naturally part of the process of being an entrepreneur. And I think, especially for women, because we're, we're raised in a way, or at least I was raised in a way that it's like, you're meant to, like, please other people, right?
Your life is created for the pleasure of others and not for your own. And so, you know, for us to have that moment where we're like, No, I feel this, and I could be wrong. And maybe this might change, but I feel it in my gut, and I'm going with it anyway, even if no one approves. And that's such a really important beautiful step in entrepreneurship. And in and just our own personal growth, no matter whether you're a business owner or not that like to stand in your knowing. And be sure that no matter what happens, it's a part of your journey.
Becca 13:43
Yeah. So at some point, you also mentioned this idea of connection and community. And all we're saying on the one hand, what we just said is that your journey is not for everyone, I think there's just as much of a significant or more important realization of obviously, like your business and your life, and your story is your own, and you are perfectly capable of doing all of those things on your own. But I think there's also this kind of counter story of how much easier it is to be surrounded by that community and that village lifting you up and people who, who get it and understand it. So I'd love to hear just a little bit about how you approach community and connection and what that looks like for you.
Shana Francesca 14:28
Yeah, I think what you're getting is what I like to say that more than one thing can be true at a time, right? Yes, can be strong enough to carry our story on our own and do something on our own. However, we absolutely are built to be in a community with one another. We are strong enough. But at the other point, I'd say we aren't strong enough to do it on our own.
And I think so much of the way that we look at the world I think has come about in like the 50s and this idea of like the nuclear family and And, and being tied to the people who are immediately related to us. And then everyone else kind of being other outside of that. And I think we've lost a sense of the diversity of village, right?
Like, you know, this understanding that it is the diversity that brings in all this that highlights parts of ourselves that we didn't even know existed, right? So as much as we can do things on our own, I don't know that we can, like at the same time, right. But what I think the key is, is being intentional about the community and the connection around us. And they don't need to be people who are homogenous, meaning they don't need to be people who are like us, as a matter of fact, I would counter that they need to be people who are unlike us.
However, the caveat is, they need to be people who are also curious and intentional, and who are willing to be open to listening to other ideas as well. And not combative, defensive, we all have moments when we are all those things, right? But invasively, they're not someone who is consistently asking you to defend yourself and your beliefs or asking you to explain your beliefs and explain yourself. Like they're owed that explanation, right.
So there's these like, all these things that are true. At the same time, I think it's just really key that they be people that we feel emotionally and physically safe with. And then there are people and our group and who challenge us changes. And so there's this like ebb and flow in our community, and there might be people who stay forever, but there might be a lot of people who are in our life for different periods of time. And it's meant to kind of move as we grow. We kind of reach for other branches, right in other trees, right?
Like, if we're all these, like beautiful trees that are growing, we get to new heights, and we get to see different trees, and we get to see and interact with different people and, and it changes our life. And it changes our understanding of the kind of people we want around us and doesn't make people bad or good. I mean, there's just all these things are at play at the same time.
So I think community is something where I think it changes. And I think that's the part that I had to get comfortable with is because growing up, I was taught like this is your community, and it stays your community. And if you're ousted from this community, it's because you're bad, right. And so this, this, this thought process took me a while to get to the place where he understood that community changes, and we need it. And we also need to be able to stand on our own two feet, so that we have something to bring to the table at that community, right? All these things that are true at the same time.
Becca 17:36
Absolutely. I there's another discussion that I've been having recently that I think is relevant here. And it's this idea that in life or in business and figuring out your story, and your skills and what your purpose is here, there's a really, I'm gonna say interesting, there's an interesting beauty and seeing yourself reflected back through somebody else's eyes.
Yes, and being able to highlight all of these things about you that you don't necessarily see or think are all that important. But it's the reason that other people are drawn to you or what they come to you for. And I think that we we take that process for granted a lot of times.
Shana Francesca 18:27
Yeah, I think because we spend so much time with ourselves, right? So we kind of get used to ourselves and sometimes annoyed with ourselves and sometimes proud of ourselves. So I think some I think we craft our view of ourselves based on what we want to see in ourselves and, and that aspect. And then there's what other people see and what draws them, like you said, What draws other people to us.
And I think that's such a beautiful moment, to to, like ask the people in our life, whether we use this language to ask them or not as like, what enters the room when I do write like, what what do you encounter with me, when we are together? When we are in a community together? What is it that you encounter with me, you know, and the full array to like, understand that I think is really, really critical?
Because then sometimes we sit back and I'm like, Whoa, I didn't see that in myself at all. Or I you know, like you said it didn't necessarily see it as important. And then maybe it triggers like, oh, maybe that has something to do with this part of my story or you know, and or maybe it doesn't, right? But it can be something we choose to like explore in our own life and our own understanding, and you can ignite a whole other part of ourselves that we didn't necessarily even know was possible, which is about friendship. I mean, friendship is just like, friendship. It's the best.
Becca 19:47
Absolutely. Something else that you said about being surrounded by people who think differently than us. Okay, so have you ever Read a book. I think it's just called Think different. Okay, I'm sorry. It's called Think again. Grant. Yeah. Adam Grant. Yeah, you've read that. Yeah. Okay. So I just started I'm like at the very beginning of the book.
Shana Francesca 20:16
I love that book.
Becca 20:17
Yeah, it's incredible. But one of the things just very early on, and I'm sure you can expand on this, since you have finished it, and I have yet to finish it is this idea of thinking like a scientist. And that's the thing that struck me is the idea that science is about, like the ever-evolving finding of truth. And and that can change as you get more information.
And that's okay. And how just that idea and thought process applies to your life is so interesting. So if you're listening, and you haven't read the book, recommend, yeah, highly recommend. I'll put the link in the show notes. But I'd love to hear kind of your take on that book as well.
Shana Francesca 20:59
Yeah, I read. So I have a book club. And we read it a couple of months ago, because I had read it, like over the holiday break. And I was like, Oh, my gosh, this book is like so good. But it really, I really felt it so much. Because I've said for a while, especially since I left Christianity, you know, I reserve the right to change my mind. Yes, right. That's kind of been my motto, right? It's just reserving the right to change my mind as I gather new information.
And Maya Angelou said, is really beautiful. And I'm paraphrasing, you know, that as we know better, we do better. And the implication of the understanding is that if we want to do better, we have to know better. And so by seeking knowledge, and being this ever the scientist in our own life, we challenge our way of understanding who we are understanding our purpose, right, our purpose changes, because we change, you know, understanding all of these different things, and then we can hone in intention is a process. It's not like a set of rules, right? And then it just stays stagnant. And no, it's a process is an ever refined process. And so I think all of these things can really dovetail really well together and playing the scientist in our own life. Well, what if I, and just asking that question, and it can defuse the fear that might come up?
Because I think sometimes, like, for me, especially like, I'll get really, I might get really nervous about but like, what if bad things happen? But I'm like, if I just approach it as a question, like, what if this could happen? What if this good thing could happen? Or you know, and not assign an outcome? Good or bad? Right? Just think, what if I could? What if I could change the world with interior design? Yeah. What would that look like? I don't know, I have no idea. But I'm on that path. I'm exploring that path, right and change changing the world with interior design and life design.
And so like, asking that question, opens up a whole array of possibility, rather than deciding, you know, the, you know, I know what's possible and, and sticking with that very narrow path in that very narrow view. So, you know, I think it just, it lets us play, right. And that says, play in our life. And play is a beautiful way to connect, not just with ourselves, but with one another and with the world.
Becca 23:17
Definitely. And one of the things that I have taken away from it as well is the idea that you probably will get things wrong, and you will make mistakes, it's part of
Shana Francesca 23:30
the process. It's the thing, it's a whole thing, we're getting it wrong all the time. And then as long as
Becca 23:36
you know, you are doing the best that you can and your intentions are good. And when you know better, you do better, I feel like we have gotten to this place where it's so easy to just be canceled, and that stops so many people from starting, and who knows how they could have changed the world if they had just started but we've told so many people for so long, like you can't afford to make a mistake, that we don't have the chance to work through these big thoughts and big ideas and that's sad to
Shana Francesca 24:09
hear I think it comes from a place of our society in general deciding that you have to know at all right to be important and and the goal is to be powerful and that is to have power over other people right That to me is kind of what power is all about. You know everyone's like empire building and I'm like empires are built on the backs of people that their exploitative
Becca 24:35
thoughts but I don't
Shana Francesca 24:36
want to get into it. I'm like, if instead we change and understand this, this dynamic and our connection with these ideas, we can allow ourselves to not know and to be ever students, and then we're less likely to be I think we're less likely to be canceled because when we make a misstep or we hurt someone we can then say Get up and say I didn't know enough. And I'm sorry. And I'm going to do better. I'm going to gather more information, I'm gonna hold myself responsible for knowing better and doing better, not just knowing better, but doing better in the future. And I think if more people came out that way, and said, I really messed up, and I know I heard a lot of people, and I'm going to remove myself from this conversation for a little while and learn more, and then I'm going to do better.
I think the people would be less likely to be canceled the way that they are so fully and completely, but many times we don't see that level of responsibility. Yeah, we see different dismissiveness, we see deflection, we do not see accountability. And that's a whole another conversation. of conversations that can happen for days.
But I think it's really important to understand that when we understand we don't know everything, and when we get really curious, there starts to be a reverence for knowledge and understanding and a reverence for our not knowing. And we own that as much as we own our knowing, then we can get really comfortable with being uncomfortable and not having something to say we can dissenter ourselves in the conversation, we can allow other people who might know better, to actually speak in us to gather information and not need to contribute to the conversation in any way, shape, or form, to try to appear to be and believe me, I'm really working on this.
This is a main thing that I'm working on in my life decentering myself, while also standing in my knowing, right, like it's a really two things can be happening at the same time decentering herself and standing in my knowing. So it's like a real weird balancing thing that's happening. But I think that's the key is really understanding this balance that's happening always in our lives.
Becca 26:53
Yes, I was gonna go totally different way with my response until you ended and I response no longer makes sense. Oh, that's too funny. What came to mind while you were speaking was the idea of when you know that you don't know. And I know, they talked about this at the beginning of the book, I forget the curve of like, knowledge versus confidence.
Shana Francesca 27:24
A beautiful part of the book talking Yes, people who actually no less come across they pretend to be more confident. They actually don't know anything at all. And people who know more actually usually stand back and are a little bit quieter and gather information before they offer feedback.
Becca 27:40
Yes. So in that process, one of the things that I was thinking about was, when you hit that middle ground of like you recognize, you don't actually know as much as you think that, you know, I think that you're so much more likely to bring other people along as your thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. And I, and that, to me.
I actually did a whole podcast episode about this, that to me is kind of the sweet spot of recognizing like, there's something that needs to be said, Here, I'm figuring it out. I don't know if I'm the best person to talk about it, but it needs to be talked about. So we're gonna try. And here's how my thoughts are developing. And it's, to me a much safer way. And it's the way I choose to communicate on this podcast to have here's the developing thought, and if I get it wrong, I'm sorry, but I'm really trying my best. And this is why I'm thinking the things that I'm thinking. And it feels like there's more room to play in that space. If I'm not the expert, then there isn't the space of I am the
Shana Francesca 28:39
expert. Yeah, yes. Yeah, absolutely. And there's, there's something to be said for not being the expert. And what I've learned, for me, what I've taken in is that when we are an expert, or we call ourselves an expert, we no longer classify ourselves as needing to learn. Yep, expert is an arrival point. Right? R
ather than a beginning point of exploration, and crash. What is the name of her book, Francesca Gino, put out a book on Amazon second, let me pull it up. Rebel talent is a book that Francesca Gino came up with a few years ago. And she talks about using a variety of different skills and different actually, she was really talking about different business owners and how they have been really critically successful in their business because they didn't pigeonhole themselves and they don't pigeonhole other people and they don't put hierarchy to tasks, right.
They're willing to do the hard work and the easy work and all of these things, and I think it's really important for our understanding of what it is to be an expert. Right? It keeps us really, when we stay in a place of learning, we are better teachers. And so to me, the expert is really the student. Right is the Forever student is the person who's consistently child Wondering themselves to learn more and to do more. It's not about false humility, humility, or ego or about any of those things. It's just about honoring the fact that there's a big wide universe, and we can't possibly know anything. And even if we thought we did, it's based only on our view our sliver of our view of the universe.
And there's so many other people with very vastly different perspectives. Even actually, physically, right, like everybody's view of the Earth is completely different. If we each had to describe the earth based on only the parts that we've seen, we would not have a full view understanding of the Earth, right? We just wouldn't. It's all of those perspectives brought together that gave us a full understanding of the earth. And so when we understand knowledge the same way, like knowledge, in general, we can understand that like, there's no such thing as an expert, and anyone who calls themselves that I'm always a little suspicious.
Becca 30:52
There's so beautifully links to the beginning of our conversation where we talked about the idea of being able to find someone who has done the thing that you're trying to do before, and just because you haven't seen them do that thing doesn't mean that it hasn't been done. And I just I love I love how that all kind of came back full circle at the end. Okay, I feel like it's time for my favorite question, which is what bothers you? What would you like to see changed in however you want to take it the interior design space the world at large, whatever comes to mind,
Shana Francesca 31:29
rule-following. I'm always curious, whoever's making the rules, right and telling us we need to obey by the rules. I'm always like, I'm more of a rule breaker, I'm more of an ask forgiveness, not permission type. Yeah. There are no rules, not laws. That's different. There are no rules and even laws we can choose not to obey. Right.
And I think it's really important, critically important that we recognize that roles are often not always, but often points of manipulation. Right? They're, they're based on someone else's desire for our life, and not our own. So when we're really clear on the desire we want for our life, we realize that there are no such things as rules. I would love to see more people sink into rule-breaking.
Becca 32:19
I think I think that goes back to the idea of asking, Who benefits from this. And that's not an original idea. People have been talking about this for a while,but when you come across something that doesn't quite make sense to you. If you if you start asking yourself that question, then maybe you just become as cynical as I am. Maybe that's the only entrance.
Shana Francesca 32:42
cynical, maybe you're just curious,
Becca 32:44
curious, maybe you become as curious as I am. But I think that's definitely doing that little exercises, has changed my perspective on a lot of things, and led me to break a lot more rules as well. So
Shana Francesca 33:00
yeah, and sometimes the person who's benefiting from the rules is us. Right? So it's important to question, you know, the rules that we're asking other people to abide by, as well. And rules and boundaries are different. And yet, that's a whole nother conversation.
Becca 33:14
And I feel like we've had so many branches, we've we've done a good job of staying focused, but we've also we've also gone from curiosity to community to thought processes to expertise and continuous learning. So I don't know I've loved this conversation. I feel like it's super interesting. Would you like to tell everyone where they can find you online?
Shana Francesca 33:37
Yeah, absolutely. The easiest place is to go to my business website. It's Concinate.world. And I'm sure many of you will tag it in the notes, but it's c o n cin N A T dot world. And there is a link tree symbol at the top on the homepage that takes you to all my social media. There's also a tab dedicated to me specifically as a speaker, as a writer, as someone who guests on podcast. So there's lots of ways to connect with me. So that's the best place to reach me.
Becca 34:05
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to spend 30 minutes with us and share your insight and your expertise. I appreciate it.
Shana Francesca 34:13
Absolutely. Thanks for having me.
Becca 34:15
I had so many mind-blowing realizations throughout that conversation. And just one of them is the realization that we try so hard to compartmentalize things.
And we often think just one thing can be true. But just as Shana said, there are so many things that are all true at the same time and trying to distill our thoughts and our mindset to one singular idea and maybe doing more damage than good, particularly with the idea of a with a thought that we can do our business all by ourselves because we constantly are inundated with this message, but also with the idea that we Need a community to build a strong business? And both of those things can be true. And I don't know that I was letting them both be true in my own mind.
So I'd love to hear your take, please send me or Shana or both send us both a message and let us know. What are two things that are true that you hadn't really accepted to both be true at the same time until this conversation?
All right, thank you so much for listening to this episode. As always, if you resonated with this conversation, if you would like to pass it along to a friend, I would be endlessly grateful. And if you want to subscribe or leave a review as well, that would make my day it would make my week if we're being honest. Until next week, this was Probably Bothered
Want to see what I’m all about?
Simple. It’s redefining what success means to you so that you can create the business (and life) of your dreams. Grab my free resource Success, Redefined below!